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After the notorious massacre on the Arkankergen border post, tragedies began happening so often that pretty much nobody believes they are occurring by chance. The former mayor of Almaty Viktor Khrapunov doesn\u2019t believe in that, either. Judging from his interview for the K-plus TV channel, he knows who is behind the so called \u201cincidents\u201d with the border patrol Zamanbek Nurkadilov\u2019s \u201csuicide\u201d, and Altynbek Sarsenbayev\u2019s murder.<\/p>\n
The hypothesis about a plane accident is questionable<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n – Viktor Viacheslavovich, the reason for our conversation is the chain of strange suicides and incidents as result of which the Kazakhstan\u2019s border patrol forces were left leaderless. I would like to discuss with you the issue of murders, suicides, and other incidents and their role in the political life in Kazakhstan.<\/strong><\/p>\n – You observed correctly; the situation with the border patrol has put me on the alert. These murders, the incidents with the plane, with the border post \u2013 this all happened for a reason.<\/p>\n – You\u2019re the former minister of extreme situations. About the incident with the plane \u2013 can such a disaster happen the way it was described?<\/strong><\/p>\n – When I was the minister of extreme situations and developed the program for a reform in the Ministry of Extreme Situations of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Ministry had only one airplane \u0410\u041d-30, i.e. there was no way to transport the specialists to the sites of the incidents happening in Kazakhstan. When assessing the state of affairs, we were looking at what planes we could buy in order to transport the special divisions to the locations where extreme situations have occurred. At that time, all the specialists were of the opinion that AH-72 is the most reliable plane\u2026<\/p>\n That is, the plane in which the leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan\u2019s border patrol forces perished is one of the most reliable planes in the airspace of the CIS. There was no plane more reliable than this one. Therefore, I very much doubt the hypothesis that the plane found itself in some kind of an extreme situation as a result of which the top brass, the whole leadership of the border patrol forces, perished.<\/p>\n I\u2019m of the opinion that this was a planned measure taken most likely in order to get rid of all the traces remaining from the case of the border patrol forces\u2026<\/p>\n Nurkadilov was \u201ccut down\u201d by the President\u2019s people<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n –\u00a0The director of the Border Patrol Academy Major-General Talgat Esetov was found dead in his office, with a gunshot wound on his body. Here, of course, a certain analogy with Nurkadilov is inevitable; I think you know much more about his suicide than the readers do. Could you possibly tell us the details about the case?<\/strong><\/p>\n – I can talk about this case in great detail. In the distant 2004 (soon, on March 11, it will be 10 years since it happened), Nurkadilov made a sensational statement in which he made colossal accusations against the government head Nursultan Nazarbayev,\u00a0 asked him to repent before it\u2019s too late, and went into opposition.<\/p>\n At the same time, I had torn ligaments in my leg and was forced to go outside of Kazakhstan for the surgery because our doctors refused to operate on my knee. All of a sudden, the Head of the Administrative Department of the President calls me and starts harping on me in a rude, forceful manner, \u201cYou went into opposition, you\u2019re supporting Nurkadilov, what are you thinking?\u201d I was surprised: who said that? To which he replied that the President told him and quoted the President\u2019s words, \u201cWhat is this? This is all due to the people from Almaty, all of them are from Almaty\u2026\u201d. With this, the incident was over.<\/p>\n Nurkadilov went into opposition and began making sensational statements, constantly talking about what is happening in Kazakhstan and who is to blame for all of it.<\/p>\n – What was the reason for the Nurkadilov situation to escalate?<\/strong><\/p>\n – When I came back to Kazakhstan after my surgery, I was still walking with crutches, on sick leave, but the President summoned me and all the regional governors to his office. It was clear that the organizational issue of my position as the mayor of Almaty will be dealt with. The meeting took place, very serious reports were presented \u2013 mine, the one of the President\u2019s Administration; the President stated that Viktor remains in his position and let us go in peace, so to speak, to carry on our government service. This happened in April.<\/p>\n Later on, I received information from the President\u2019s Administration that Nursultan Nazarbayev will celebrate the May 1 holiday in Almaty. I was asked to prepare an itinerary of festive events for the occasion. The President said that he will come to the square and will take part in the festivities on the square.<\/p>\n Just at that time, Nurkadilov makes a very sharp statement, saying, \u201cMr. President, I\u2019m prepared to engage in a political debate with you on May 1, on the square, and we need to discuss publicly and openly what is wrong in Kazakhstan nowadays and what has to be done to change things\u201d. Nazarbayev was worried and didn\u2019t even want to come to the square but came after all.<\/p>\n We got up on the stand, he made a speech, and, suddenly, shouts came from one of the square\u2019s corners, the security people surrounded the area. Nurkadilov is shouting, \u201cHere I am, I came for the debate, I\u2019m ready!\u201d They weren\u2019t letting him through, placed turnstiles, barred access to the stand. Nurkadilov kept shouting but it was useless, he couldn\u2019t get through.<\/p>\n Nazarbayev was constantly looking in that direction; a few minutes later, one of the generals ran over and reported, \u201cMr. President, don\u2019t worry, we cut him off.\u201d Literally a few minutes after that, another one ran over and said, \u201cMr. President, my people cut him off.\u201d<\/p>\n – What did \u201ccut down\u201d mean?<\/strong><\/p>\n – They said they cut him down, he could neither talk nor take any action. They applied physical pressure, and he fell down.<\/p>\n This is what actually happened, though: the special division soldiers applied physical pressure to the security guy, a young man, 6\u20197\u201d tall. They just cut him down, he fell on the pavement. As Nurkadilov himself said, \u201cI saw death in these people\u2019s eyes.\u201d He got into the car and drove away.<\/p>\n I don\u2019t believe this was a suicide!<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n – What happened next?<\/strong><\/p>\n The subsequent resistance was very strong. Nurkadilov didn\u2019t join any opposition groups, continued acting on his own, accused the President of all sins and problems happening in Kazakhstan.<\/p>\n Naturally, the President didn\u2019t like that, and a certain situation arose around Nurkadilov.\u00a0 Bulat Utemuratov called me and said specifically, \u201cThe boss gave instructions for you to talk things over with Nurkadilov and make him calm down.\u201d Says, the boss can give him a position, and an office commensurate with his services and rank. I said, \u201cSince there are instructions, I\u2019ll definitely meet with him\u201d.<\/p>\n I arranged a meeting, went to his house, we sat, and talked. The conversation was long and hard. Nurkadilov said, though, that he won\u2019t attack just like that but won\u2019t stop his oppositional actions, either.<\/p>\n Some time later, Bulat Utemuratov calls me again and says, \u201cThat\u2019s all, you don\u2019t need to deal with Nurkadilov anymore. The boss says it\u2019s time for this to end.\u201d<\/p>\n –\u00a0\u201cEnd\u201d in what way?<\/strong><\/p>\n – I\u2019m quoting Utemuratov word for word: \u201cThis needs to end. And we will end it.\u201d I thought, of course, that they had found some kind of approach to Nurkadilov and would resolve all the issues on their own.<\/p>\n – You never met Nurkadilov again?<\/strong><\/p>\n – At the end of 2004, I was transferred to a position as a governor in Eastern Kazakhstan. And suddenly, out of the blue, I received information from the Ministry of Internal Affairs that Zamanbek Nurkadilov had been found dead in his home on Luganskogo St., with three gunshot wounds, most likely, suicide. I was doubtful: how can you shoot at yourself three times?<\/p>\n Some time later, I get a call from Dariga Nazarbayeva and, surprisingly, says, \u201cHave you heard that Nurkadilov was found dead in his home? What do you think, who could\u2019ve done that?\u201d I say, \u201cIt\u2019s hard for me to say, I\u2019m not aware of everything that\u2019s going on. I don\u2019t have information. The information I have is very meager.\u00a0 All I know is that a man shot himself twice in the heart and then in the temples. His body was found on the floor, covered with a sheet, and between his legs, there was the gun with which Nurkadilov shot himself.\u201d She so confidently states that all cameras were on \u2013 16 video cameras, so, she says, even a fly can\u2019t fly through and a mouse can\u2019t slip in. And she says, \u201cWhat do you think, could Makpal (Nurkadilov\u2019s wife \u2013\u00a0Ed.<\/em>) have shot him?\u201d Supposedly, they didn\u2019t get along well.<\/p>\n I replied that this woman is a renowned actress of Kazakhstan and is only capable of holding a dombra in her hands (a type of a musical instrument \u2013\u00a0Trans.<\/em>) and has no clue which end of the gun to hold. Dariga told me, \u201cYou\u2019re so na\u00efve, when a woman wants something, she\u2019ll get everything she wants. If I were you, I wouldn\u2019t discount the possibility that Makpal killed Nurkadilov.\u201d With this, the conversation ended.<\/p>\n The official hypothesis was announced as suicide. The international criminologists said that this is the only case in the history of world criminology where a man shot himself three times.<\/p>\n – So what about the 16 video cameras which were mentioned?<\/strong><\/p>\n – The cameras were blocked at that moment, all the information was collected. According to the official hypothesis, nobody went in or out of Nurkadilov\u2019s house. He was found by his wife. Supposedly, here is what happened. She invited him to sit down to dinner. He initially declined, went out on the balcony. Then, she started suspecting something \u2013 there was silence, she went there, shouting was heard. That is, the cameras recorded how she went in, how she was gone for a while, how the shout was heard. This is what enabled the official hypothesis and Dariga Nazarbayeva to speculate that she is the one who shot Nurkadilov.<\/p>\n – So, at that moment, all the advocates of the hypothesis that Nurkadilov was shot were turning into advocates of a crazy conspiracy theory because the material evidence pointed at suicide?<\/strong><\/p>\n – Yes, but as I said before, when a person suffers such a gunshot wound, he falls into a state of shock which doesn\u2019t let him raise the gun a second time and shoot himself. The human body is built in such a way that when a person suffers a pain induced shock, the body stiffens, and the person is unable to do anything by himself. That\u2019s why I\u2019m fully convinced that the official suicide hypothesis isn\u2019t objective; the investigation hasn\u2019t been thorough. Or, maybe, it was thorough, but the public was told that it was suicide in order not to worry them.<\/p>\n Who wanted to kill Sarsenbayev?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n – Zamanbek Nurkadilov\u2019s supposed suicide happened on November 12, 2005. On February 13, 2006, that is, a few months afterward, Altynbek Sarsenbayev was murdered. Do you think these tragedies were connected?<\/strong><\/p>\n – I\u2019ll tell you even more that that\u2026 You mentioned February 13, 2006 when three relatively young men were found shot, with their hands tied, near the city of Almaty. And here is a situation:\u00a0 one evening in Almaty, we met with Dariga Nazarbayeva, two representatives from Russia had come to meet with her as well as a number of Kazakh specialists.<\/p>\n We\u2019re sitting at the table, having dinner. Suddenly, Dariga says that there is this Sarsenbayev person who is simply out of his mind: an opposition member, says subversive things, constantly blackmails her, supposedly, so that she would conduct an illegal maneuver to privatize the television.<\/p>\n I remembered that, at one of the parliamentary sessions, Altynbek did say, \u201cI can actually make it public knowledge how you privatized Kazakhstan\u2019s television, how it ended up in your hands for next to nothing.\u201d And Dariga suddenly says to her guests, \u201cThere is no one who would kill Sarsenbayev!\u201d At that moment, I became speechless.<\/p>\n – Were there many people when she said that?<\/strong><\/p>\n – There were eight of us: Dariga herself, two people from Russia, the two of us, the district mayor, and couple of other people. And she says, \u201cOnly one person in Kazakhstan, my younger sister Aliya\u2019s husband, slapped this Sarsenbayev\u2019s face.\u201d Can you imagine such provocation?! See, only this one boy dared hit the man who had been a Minister, a Deputy Prime Minister, an ambassador of Kazakhstan. He hit him and defended Dariga Nazarbayeva\u2019s honor. And sometime later, someone shot Sarsenbayev\u2026<\/p>\n \u2026It\u2019s important to take the specific period into account as well. The \u201ccolor revolutions\u201d took place in Georgia and Ukraine. The government of Kazakhstan was enveloped in the palpable fear that the regime may be overthrown along the same principle and in the same way, and maybe this was what pushed Nazarbayev to conduct the operation for destroying the opposition.<\/p>\n Sooner or later, secrets are revealed<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n – Viktor Viacheslavovich, while Zamanbek Nurkadilov openly declared that he is opposing the President, Altynbek Sarsenbayev was more covert, but it was known widely enough that he opposes the President on many issues. But in the present situation, we don\u2019t see actual opposition in the country except for the political parties and organizations which have been actually destroyed by the regime. I mean \u2013 among the country\u2019s government. Despite that, we observe such strange incidents as the mass perishing of the border patrol soldiers\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n – In this, I\u2019m seeing the further implementation of Nursultan Nazarbayev\u2019s \u201cSuperkhan\u201d program. I\u2019ve read the program; it was created by someone named Mirchev whom Dariga Nazarbayeva had found. She brought him in, introduced him to Nazarbayev, and that group of specialists developed a program for the future promotion of Nazarbayev\u2019s image. The program specifically describes how and when it\u2019s necessary to conduct terrorist acts aimed at scaring the population.<\/p>\n Do you remember the terrorist acts in the National Security Committee building in Aktyubinsk, in Astana \u2013 Kazakhstan\u2019s capital, in Southern Kazakhstan? The next tragedy occurred at the border post when one soldier shot all the other soldiers even though there were some experts among them who could have knocked that boy down with just one blow of a bare hand. I see a malicious intent there as well. Some of the border patrol officers on that plane probably had some information. Measures had to be taken in order to conceal it.<\/p>\n People are being brainwashed into believing that one young boy is behind the massacre at the border post, and that the plane fell by accident, and that the head of the Border Patrol Academy shot himself in his office.<\/p>\n \u2026 The dictator Nazarbayev is overcome with fear, and this is an extremely strong fear of losing his power, an extremely strong fear of finding himself among those who would be judged by the people\u2026<\/p>\n –\u00a0So, you think he was really in fear of the border patrol forces, their commanding staff, some other law enforcement agencies? Or is this just provocation?<\/strong><\/p>\n – I think this is all part of the implementation of the \u201cSuperkhan\u201d program. Everything\u2019s happening according to what\u2019s written there. At this stage they did one thing, there \u2013 another, a third, a fourth, a fifth, the people are scared, they want protection. And who do they want protection from? Only from President Nazarbayev. Nazarbayev\u2019s authority is once again in full bloom, and everyone else is guilty\u2026<\/p>\n – What do you think, would it be possible to find the real perpetrators of those crimes committed several years ago?<\/strong><\/p>\n – I think all secrets get revealed. The history of humanity\u2019s development proves that the majority of crimes at some point are solved, those who order the crimes and those who commit them are found \u2013 regardless of how much they have been protected by the authorities who gave them commands to commit this or that crime.<\/p>\n This, so to speak, echelon program for protecting those who order crimes has always existed. The first to be removed are the people who received the order, then, the next link, and so on and so forth, all the way to the last witness who knew about the case.<\/p>\n I would like to note that manuscripts don\u2019t burn, as they say. When necessary, documents suddenly surface to confirm that things happened the way they did.<\/p>\n A clear example is the murder of the journalist Georgiy Gongadze. How the bureaucrats kept hiding the trails! But when it became necessary to find proof that certain officials are criminals, the materials were collected quickly\u2026<\/p>\n I don\u2019t think anyone has invented anything new in our country, either. That\u2019s why I would like to warn President Nazarbayev and those who walk next to him, who develop and deliver to the President this or that explanation for the reprisals against this or that person, that sooner or later, everything will come to light. The people will find out the truth.<\/p>\n